Interview With Journalist Carlo Climati
JUNE 25, 2004
What do certain
rock music and Internet groups, adolescent curiosity, and moral
relativism have in common?
They are all doors of access to Satanism for young people, warns
Italian journalist and writer Carlo Climati.
Italy is still shaken by the discovery, in early June, of the bodies
of Chiara Marino, 16, and Fabio Tollis, 19, in the woods northwest
of Milan. They were last seen in January 1998 with other members of
their rock band, the Beasts of Satan. Investigators say they were
victims of "ritual" killings.
In this interview with ZENIT, Climati describes how adolescents get
involved in Satanism and proposes ways to detect and prevent it.
Q: How widespread is the phenomenon of Satanism among young people?
Climati: It is certainly a phenomenon that is growing rapidly and is
difficult to control. I would describe it especially as a
do-it-yourself Satanism, which young people practice by listening to
rock music and surfing the Internet.
Naturally, one must not fall into the error of generalizing and
condemning all rock music. But at the same time, one must be
realistic and realize that Satanic rock already turns over a volume
of business worth billions. Too many singers spread the non-culture
of violence, drugs and hatred.
Q: How can an adolescent enter into contact with the world of
Climati: It is a process that takes place in "phases" and
that can be easily explained because of young people's great
familiarity with the new technologies and means of communication.
The first phase generally consists of the simple and banal interest
in a Satanic singer. First, a young person buys his CDs and is
passionate about his music. But then he feels the need to know more
about the singer.
The second step is knowledge of the texts of the songs and the
consequent exposure to a transgressive philosophy of life.
The third phase is the young person's purchase of music magazines
that talk about his favorite singer. Lately, in certain rock
periodicals, there is not just talk of music, but also of Satanism
and esotericism. Sometimes even addresses are given of Satanic sects
or Internet sites of singers linked to the world of the occult.
So, in order to know more, the fourth phase is entered: the search
on Internet. Starting from simple curiosity for the sites of Satanic
rock singers, there is the risk of going to the pages of authentic
sects, or discussion groups frequented by Satanists.
The fifth and last phase is the young person's direct contact,
through e-mail, with a sect or a practitioner of black magic.
Q: What is the philosophy of young people's Satanism?
Climati: In analyzing this phenomenon it is very important to
examine it in depth. One must not stop at incidents of violence or
macabre rites that are carried out in forests.
I want to stress especially the "Do what you feel like"
idea, an invitation to moral relativism and a life without rules. It
is man with his presumption who wants to usurp God's place and live
under the standard of his own egotistical pleasure.
Moreover, at the base of Satanism is the death of hope. The
invitation to withdraw into oneself and believe in nothing — in
the fact that life is only a jungle in which the powerful triumph
over the weak.
Unfortunately, many young people seem to be fascinated by certain
terrible philosophies. It is not difficult to identify them at
night, outside premises that offer this kind of music. In general,
they are dressed in black. Often their arms are marked by small,
These cuts are a sign of rendition, of pessimism. They symbolize,
perhaps, other deeper wounds, which are those of everyday life. A
life often marked by inability to communicate, lack of conversation
in the family, difficulties in school or at work.
Q: How can the phenomenon of Satanic rock be combated?
Climati: The solution lies in accustoming young people to have a
greater critical sense. Young people should not "imbibe"
passively everything that certain rock stars say. We must help them
to reflect, to understand, to reject those who promote the
non-culture of death.
One must not allow oneself to be ensnared by terrible philosophies.
If a singer promotes violence, we must not buy his records. Let's
applaud those artists who communicate a positive message in favor of
life. There is no lack of good examples. Suffice it to look for
This is the way that must be chosen to change the balance of the
record market, a market that is often merciless and bent on making
money at the cost of youth.
Before purchasing a CD, we must learn to ask ourselves what kind of
ideology is behind it and what messages it is trying to impart.
Otherwise, Satanic rock singers, imperturbable, will continue to
hold the top spots in the charts.